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Managing Distributed Systems and Engineers with Johan Andersen, Engineering Director, Citadel

Managing Distributed Systems and Engineers with Johan Andersen, Engineering Director, Citadel

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In our second episode of Breaking 404, we caught up with Johan Andersen, Engineering Director, Citadel (Former Google SRE Manager) to understand the best practices of managing distributed systems as well as distributed systems engineers.

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Arbaz: Hello everyone and welcome to the second episode of Breaking 404 by HackerEarth, a podcast for all engineering enthusiasts, professionals, and leaders to learn from top influencers in the engineering and technology industry. This is your host Arbaz and today I have with me Johan Andersen, an ex-Googler (or Xoogler as they call it) and currently the Director of Engineering at Citadel, a global financial institution headquartered in Chicago, United States, with offices throughout North America, Asia, and Europe.

Johan: Hey Arbaz! I’m glad to be here. Thanks for inviting me.

Arbaz: So let’s get this episode up and running by giving our audience a little sneak-peak into your professional journey. So what has your professional journey been like?

Johan: Varied. I started as a systems and networks engineer in academia, worked at university for ~5 years trying to build cheap versions of products that were too expensive to buy. I moved from there into finance, worked as an IT security engineer at a major investment bank. I learned a lot about large systems and how to work effectively across teams, as security was supposed to be a part of any large project being developed at the bank. Switched to Google around 2009, and stayed there for 10 years working a wide variety of applications and infrastructure projects. I learned a lot about SRE best practices and scaling things both for traffic and for an operational load. Last year I moved to Citadel to help drive the SRE team here and spread some of that culture.

Arbaz: Now that our audience knows you much better, it’s time to get into the technicalities. You have previously been a Senior Engineering Manager at a tech giant, Google and now you are with Citadel, a top company in the financial space. What was the biggest challenge for you during this transition? As in how different has your experience been working in the engineering teams of two different industries (Tech and FinTech)?

Johan: The major change I noticed was more related to the relative sizes of the two companies. When I left Google, there were roughly 100x as many full-time engineers as there are at Citadel. This means that it's much faster to get effective changes rolled out, but that there's less pre-built infrastructure for teams to leverage. So more work is spent on establishing best practices, but also it's easier to get consensus on those practices and get them into production. Another change was the difference in the regulatory climate between the two. Google had lots of regulations on safeguarding user privacy and data, but fewer concerns around things retaining communications and desktop technology. I really miss Google Docs.

Arbaz: Well, Google Docs is very close to everyone using the GSuite globally, so we can totally understand your pain here. Moving on, it’s said that as one grows as a professional they tend to develop a greater fear of things going wrong. So what is the biggest fear that you have, being the Director (Engineering) at Citadel?

Johan: My biggest fears are not really Citadel specific; anyone building an engineering organization today has to think about them. One is a competition for talent: strong engineers have never been in more demand than they are today. One is keeping up with a changing ecosystem. SRE in particular, being partnered with multiple engineering teams, really ends up having to have a breadth-first approach to learning, and ends up being a conduit for best practices throughout the organization. Finally, and somewhat topical, is preparing for the unexpected. How well have you load tested the services you use to support remote workers? With the recent news, a number of "baseline assumptions" around both technology and support models are being tested.

Arbaz: Very well said, Johan. All the 3 points here are bang on point and very relatable for all those working in engineering teams globally. And as you rightly pointed out, the competition for talent is fierce and it’s really important for all companies to build great engineering teams. We, at HackerEarth, are proud to help companies in getting top technical talent. Just deviating a little from your professional life and getting to know you more as a person, what would be your favorite leisure-time activity that you love to do when not working?

Johan: I read a lot of science fiction. I play some video games. I like to sail, but don't get a chance very often! And I like to bicycle around New York City.

Arbaz: That’s really interesting. A mix of reading, playing video games and sailing is a pretty unique combination. I believe having a hobby is much needed for everyone to keep calm and motivated. Now that we are talking about hobbies and interests, we often see engineers (at least I do at HackerEarth) lost in their laptop/computer screens, writing lengthy codes. All this while, they have their headphones plugged in, listening to music. What songs or music genre best describes your work ethic?

Johan: Wow, this is tough for me! Maybe classical, Baroque stuff that moves quickly through different movements. My day is rapidly changing, and I like to think it has a similar underlying order.

Arbaz: Coming back to Johan, the Engineer at work, considering the current scenario around the COVID-19 outbreak where companies have asked their employees to work remotely, what do you think is the biggest problem/challenge with remote work for an engineering team?

Johan: I think the biggest challenge nowadays is kind of maintaining the sense of team and comradery that you had during normal operations. It’s really easy in an environment where you spend all of your time at home and only communicate via instant messenger or email or the occasional video conference to get lost in work and to not have a good way to separate your personal time from your work time. It’s really important for leaders to reach out to the people on their teams to make sure that people are doing well in their assigned projects and also in their home lives and try to make accommodations as this is a challenging period for everyone.

Arbaz: The outbreak is pretty serious and we don't know when it's gonna end. Wishing all our listeners the best of health and please stay safe. Now comes a question that I love asking all my guests on this podcast. Code quality and technical debt are two terms that we often hear from engineering leaders. Keeping them in mind, how do you maintain a balance of technical stability (minimize technical debt) while still delivering high-quality code?

Johan: This is a really great question. A lot of people think that SRE is the team that exists to say no. And certainly, no system is more stable and reliable as one that never changes. But systems like that are seldom very useful. I think that SRE exists to make changes as easy and fast as possible without the wheels flying off the car. So if you have robust testing, a release system that lets you canary changes effectively, and can roll back changes quickly and easily, deliver as fast as you can. It's only when you start to see gaps in these areas that SRE starts to recommend being more cautious. I'd much rather own a project where we made frequent changes through a well-understood and tested process than own a more "Stable" service that only released quarterly.

A colleague of mine who I respect a lot once said that a service can't have "haunted graveyards". If there's a place or thing you're afraid to touch or change, it is your responsibility to exercise it until it is understood well enough to change it safely. Otherwise, you risk having to make such a change when you are least prepared to under fire.

Arbaz: With all the new advancements in technology, the introduction of concepts like Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence, how do you see the technical landscape changing over the next few years and how will you prepare engineering for that?

Johan: Oh, man, I'm terrible at this. I mean, obviously, things continue to move to the cloud. Maintaining either expensive on-premises data centers or expensive offices for engineers is going to be seen as more of an unnecessary cost. It's currently justified by "We've always done it this way" or "there's no other way to meet our regulatory burdens", but if you imagine starting a new business today, how much would you invest in building your own on-premises services for things the SDLC, authentication, email, etc? I know I'm not saying anything novel or profound here, but trying to keep a grasp on what the state of the market is and moving away from capital-intensive "build our own" is probably what's in the cards for anyone not in a gigantic cloud provider.

Arbaz: Taking you back in time, around 20-25 years, just a fun question here, what was the first programming language you started to code in?

Johan: I did some Pascal very early on, and my first "real" code was in C.

Arbaz: A few minutes ago we talked about getting the right talent for building a strong and performing engineering team, what according to you is the most challenging part of any technical assessment/interview from a Hiring Manager perspective?

Johan: Assessment of a new system, or of an engineer? For a system, probably trying to determine dependencies as well as establish the best SLIs.

For a person, I am most interested in trying to evaluate how well they learn, rather than their expertise in any particular technology. Technology, as you talked about before, is constantly changing, and a good engineer will be able to pick up what is needed. This means less "what are the various list functions in Python" and more "in whatever language you are familiar with, help me solve this general problem".

Arbaz: If not engineering, what alternate profession would you have seen yourself excel in?

Johan: Maybe teaching? I really enjoy explaining how things work to people and working through problems with them. You learn a thing best by teaching it to others.

Arbaz: Finally before we sign off and end today’s episode one last question for you - What would be your 1 tip for all Developers, Engineering Managers, VPs, and Directors of Engineering for being the best at what they do?

Johan: One piece of advice for everyone? Probably something about humility/willingness to listen. People who ask questions or express reservations aren't attacking you. It's easy, especially for leaders, but even smart engineers on teams, to be super-confident in your own abilities and ideas. But even if you ARE 100% right, if you are shooting other people down when they bring you questions or concerns, it trains the people around you to not bring you new information, and that's the last thing someone who is trying to be the best wants.

Arbaz: It was a pleasure having you as a part of today’s episode, Johan. It was really informative and insightful to hear from a leader like yourself.

Johan: Arbaz, it was a real pleasure. Thank you for inviting me. I had a really good time.

Arbaz: This brings us to the end of today’s episode of Breaking 404. Stay tuned for more such awesome enlightening episodes. Don’t forget to subscribe to our channel ‘Breaking 404 by HackerEarth’ on iTunes, Spotify, Google Podcasts, SoundCloud and TuneIn. This is Arbaz, your host signing off until next time. Thank you so much, everyone!

About Johan Andersen:

Johan Andersen is an engineering leader with a broad experience creating and developing teams to focus on improving the reliability and scalability of large distributed systems. Johan is currently an Engineering Director at Citadel, where he manages several teams with responsibility for the middle and back-office operations for the firm. Before that, he was a senior SRE manager at Google, where he worked on a wide variety of infrastructure and application teams from Storage to Docs to Search Indexing. Prior to Google, Johan led the Security Architecture team at Morgan Stanley. He has a BS and MS in Computer Science from Columbia University.

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I Used AI to Build a "Simple Image Carousel" at VibeCodeArena. It Found 15+ Issues and Taught Me How to Fix Them.

My Learning Journey

I wanted to understand what separates working code from good code. So I used VibeCodeArena.ai to pick a problem statement where different LLMs produce code for the same prompt. Upon landing on the main page of VibeCodeArena, I could see different challenges. Since I was interested in an Image carousal application, I picked the challenge with the prompt "Make a simple image carousel that lets users click 'next' and 'previous' buttons to cycle through images."

Within seconds, I had code from multiple LLMs, including DeepSeek, Mistral, GPT, and Llama. Each code sample also had an objective evaluation score. I was pleasantly surprised to see so many solutions for the same problem. I picked gpt-oss-20b model from OpenAI. For this experiment, I wanted to focus on learning how to code better so either one of the LLMs could have worked. But VibeCodeArena can also be used to evaluate different LLMs to help make a decision about which model to use for what problem statement.

The model had produced a clean HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. The code looked professional. I could see the preview of the code by clicking on the render icon. It worked perfectly in my browser. The carousel was smooth, and the images loaded beautifully.

But was it actually good code?

I had no idea. That's when I decided to look at the evaluation metrics

What I Thought Was "Good Code"

A working image carousel with:

  • Clean, semantic HTML
  • Smooth CSS transitions
  • Keyboard navigation support
  • ARIA labels for accessibility
  • Error handling for failed images

It looked like something a senior developer would write. But I had questions:

Was it secure? Was it optimized? Would it scale? Were there better ways to structure it?

Without objective evaluation, I had no answers. So, I proceeded to look at the detailed evaluation metrics for this code

What VibeCodeArena's Evaluation Showed

The platform's objective evaluation revealed issues I never would have spotted:

Security Vulnerabilities (The Scary Ones)

No Content Security Policy (CSP): My carousel was wide open to XSS attacks. Anyone could inject malicious scripts through the image URLs or manipulate the DOM. VibeCodeArena flagged this immediately and recommended implementing CSP headers.

Missing Input Validation: The platform pointed out that while the code handles image errors, it doesn't validate or sanitize the image sources. A malicious actor could potentially exploit this.

Hardcoded Configuration: Image URLs and settings were hardcoded directly in the code. The platform recommended using environment variables instead - a best practice I completely overlooked.

SQL Injection Vulnerability Patterns: Even though this carousel doesn't use a database, the platform flagged coding patterns that could lead to SQL injection in similar contexts. This kind of forward-thinking analysis helps prevent copy-paste security disasters.

Performance Problems (The Silent Killers)

DOM Structure Depth (15 levels): VibeCodeArena measured my DOM at 15 levels deep. I had no idea. This creates unnecessary rendering overhead that would get worse as the carousel scales.

Expensive DOM Queries: The JavaScript was repeatedly querying the DOM without caching results. Under load, this would create performance bottlenecks I'd never notice in local testing.

Missing Performance Optimizations: The platform provided a checklist of optimizations I didn't even know existed:

  • No DNS-prefetch hints for external image domains
  • Missing width/height attributes causing layout shift
  • No preload directives for critical resources
  • Missing CSS containment properties
  • No will-change property for animated elements

Each of these seems minor, but together they compound into a poor user experience.

Code Quality Issues (The Technical Debt)

High Nesting Depth (4 levels): My JavaScript had logic nested 4 levels deep. VibeCodeArena flagged this as a maintainability concern and suggested flattening the logic.

Overly Specific CSS Selectors (depth: 9): My CSS had selectors 9 levels deep, making it brittle and hard to refactor. I thought I was being thorough; I was actually creating maintenance nightmares.

Code Duplication (7.9%): The platform detected nearly 8% code duplication across files. That's technical debt accumulating from day one.

Moderate Maintainability Index (67.5): While not terrible, the platform showed there's significant room for improvement in code maintainability.

Missing Best Practices (The Professional Touches)

The platform also flagged missing elements that separate hobby projects from professional code:

  • No 'use strict' directive in JavaScript
  • Missing package.json for dependency management
  • No test files
  • Missing README documentation
  • No .gitignore or version control setup
  • Could use functional array methods for cleaner code
  • Missing CSS animations for enhanced UX

The "Aha" Moment

Here's what hit me: I had no framework for evaluating code quality beyond "does it work?"

The carousel functioned. It was accessible. It had error handling. But I couldn't tell you if it was secure, optimized, or maintainable.

VibeCodeArena gave me that framework. It didn't just point out problems, it taught me what production-ready code looks like.

My New Workflow: The Learning Loop

This is when I discovered the real power of the platform. Here's my process now:

Step 1: Generate Code Using VibeCodeArena

I start with a prompt and let the AI generate the initial solution. This gives me a working baseline.

Step 2: Analyze Across Several Metrics

I can get comprehensive analysis across:

  • Security vulnerabilities
  • Performance/Efficiency issues
  • Performance optimization opportunities
  • Code Quality improvements

This is where I learn. Each issue includes explanation of why it matters and how to fix it.

Step 3: Click "Challenge" and Improve

Here's the game-changer: I click the "Challenge" button and start fixing the issues based on the suggestions. This turns passive reading into active learning.

Do I implement CSP headers correctly? Does flattening the nested logic actually improve readability? What happens when I add dns-prefetch hints?

I can even use AI to help improve my code. For this action, I can use from a list of several available models that don't need to be the same one that generated the code. This helps me to explore which models are good at what kind of tasks.

For my experiment, I decided to work on two suggestions provided by VibeCodeArena by preloading critical CSS/JS resources with <link rel="preload"> for faster rendering in index.html and by adding explicit width and height attributes to images to prevent layout shift in index.html. The code editor gave me change summary before I submitted by code for evaluation.

Step 4: Submit for Evaluation

After making improvements, I submit my code for evaluation. Now I see:

  • What actually improved (and by how much)
  • What new issues I might have introduced
  • Where I still have room to grow

Step 5: Hey, I Can Beat AI

My changes helped improve the performance metric of this simple code from 82% to 83% - Yay! But this was just one small change. I now believe that by acting upon multiple suggestions, I can easily improve the quality of the code that I write versus just relying on prompts.

Each improvement can move me up the leaderboard. I'm not just learning in isolation—I'm seeing how my solutions compare to other developers and AI models.

So, this is the loop: Generate → Analyze → Challenge → Improve → Measure → Repeat.

Every iteration makes me better at both evaluating AI code and writing better prompts.

What This Means for Learning to Code with AI

This experience taught me three critical lessons:

1. Working ≠ Good Code

AI models are incredible at generating code that functions. But "it works" tells you nothing about security, performance, or maintainability.

The gap between "functional" and "production-ready" is where real learning happens. VibeCodeArena makes that gap visible and teachable.

2. Improvement Requires Measurement

I used to iterate on code blindly: "This seems better... I think?"

Now I know exactly what improved. When I flatten nested logic, I see the maintainability index go up. When I add CSP headers, I see security scores improve. When I optimize selectors, I see performance gains.

Measurement transforms vague improvement into concrete progress.

3. Competition Accelerates Learning

The leaderboard changed everything for me. I'm not just trying to write "good enough" code—I'm trying to climb past other developers and even beat the AI models.

This competitive element keeps me pushing to learn one more optimization, fix one more issue, implement one more best practice.

How the Platform Helps Me Become A Better Programmer

VibeCodeArena isn't just an evaluation tool—it's a structured learning environment. Here's what makes it effective:

Immediate Feedback: I see issues the moment I submit code, not weeks later in code review.

Contextual Education: Each issue comes with explanation and guidance. I learn why something matters, not just that it's wrong.

Iterative Improvement: The "Challenge" button transforms evaluation into action. I learn by doing, not just reading.

Measurable Progress: I can track my improvement over time—both in code quality scores and leaderboard position.

Comparative Learning: Seeing how my solutions stack up against others shows me what's possible and motivates me to reach higher.

What I've Learned So Far

Through this iterative process, I've gained practical knowledge I never would have developed just reading documentation:

  • How to implement Content Security Policy correctly
  • Why DOM depth matters for rendering performance
  • What CSS containment does and when to use it
  • How to structure code for better maintainability
  • Which performance optimizations actually make a difference

Each "Challenge" cycle teaches me something new. And because I'm measuring the impact, I know what actually works.

The Bottom Line

AI coding tools are incredible for generating starting points. But they don't produce high quality code and can't teach you what good code looks like or how to improve it.

VibeCodeArena bridges that gap by providing:

✓ Objective analysis that shows you what's actually wrong
✓ Educational feedback that explains why it matters
✓ A "Challenge" system that turns learning into action
✓ Measurable improvement tracking so you know what works
✓ Competitive motivation through leaderboards

My "simple image carousel" taught me an important lesson: The real skill isn't generating code with AI. It's knowing how to evaluate it, improve it, and learn from the process.

The future of AI-assisted development isn't just about prompting better. It's about developing the judgment to make AI-generated code production-ready. That requires structured learning, objective feedback, and iterative improvement. And that's exactly what VibeCodeArena delivers.

Here is a link to the code for the image carousal I used for my learning journey

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A New Era of Code

Vibe coding is a new method of using natural language prompts and AI tools to generate code. I have seen firsthand that this change makes software more accessible to everyone. In the past, being able to produce functional code was a strong advantage for developers. Today, when code is produced quickly through AI, the true value lies in designing, refining, and optimizing systems. Our role now goes beyond writing code; we must also ensure that our systems remain efficient and reliable.

From Machine Language to Natural Language

I recall the early days when every line of code was written manually. We progressed from machine language to high-level programming, and now we are beginning to interact with our tools using natural language. This development does not only increase speed but also changes how we approach problem solving. Product managers can now create working demos in hours instead of weeks, and founders have a clearer way of pitching their ideas with functional prototypes. It is important for us to rethink our role as developers and focus on architecture and system design rather than simply on typing c

Vibe Coding Difference

The Promise and the Pitfalls

I have experienced both sides of vibe coding. In cases where the goal was to build a quick prototype or a simple internal tool, AI-generated code provided impressive results. Teams have been able to test new ideas and validate concepts much faster. However, when it comes to more complex systems that require careful planning and attention to detail, the output from AI can be problematic. I have seen situations where AI produces large volumes of code that become difficult to manage without significant human intervention.

AI-powered coding tools like GitHub Copilot and AWS’s Q Developer have demonstrated significant productivity gains. For instance, at the National Australia Bank, it’s reported that half of the production code is generated by Q Developer, allowing developers to focus on higher-level problem-solving . Similarly, platforms like Lovable or Hostinger Horizons enable non-coders to build viable tech businesses using natural language prompts, contributing to a shift where AI-generated code reduces the need for large engineering teams. However, there are challenges. AI-generated code can sometimes be verbose or lack the architectural discipline required for complex systems. While AI can rapidly produce prototypes or simple utilities, building large-scale systems still necessitates experienced engineers to refine and optimize the code.​

The Economic Impact

The democratization of code generation is altering the economic landscape of software development. As AI tools become more prevalent, the value of average coding skills may diminish, potentially affecting salaries for entry-level positions. Conversely, developers who excel in system design, architecture, and optimization are likely to see increased demand and compensation.​
Seizing the Opportunity

Vibe coding is most beneficial in areas such as rapid prototyping and building simple applications or internal tools. It frees up valuable time that we can then invest in higher-level tasks such as system architecture, security, and user experience. When used in the right context, AI becomes a helpful partner that accelerates the development process without replacing the need for skilled engineers.

This is revolutionizing our craft, much like the shift from machine language to assembly to high-level languages did in the past. AI can churn out code at lightning speed, but remember, “Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.” Use AI for rapid prototyping, but it’s your expertise that transforms raw output into robust, scalable software. By honing our skills in design and architecture, we ensure our work remains impactful and enduring. Let’s continue to learn, adapt, and build software that stands the test of time.​

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